Drei verschlüsselte Netz-Fundstücke: Wer kann sie knacken?

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1. #1 Rich SantaColoma

   https://proto57.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/the-modern-forgery-hypothesis/

   24. März 2021

   The weapon-like item looks like a fantasy sword engraved with a fantasy alphabet. This is done with Klingon weapons (but it isn’t Klingon). I mention it because maybe others can think of other created fantasy languages it might be.

   I’ve tried Tolkien’s Elvish variations like Sindarin and Quenya; the Game of Thrones Valyrian and Dothraki, the Alien Predator languages, Skyrim, Kiliki, some of the Star Wars languages, and others. There are so many of them… from movies, books, and gaming… but I think this is a fan collectable from something like this.

2. #2 Rich SantaColoma

   https://proto57.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/the-modern-forgery-hypothesis/

   24. März 2021

   On a Russian site devoted to unidentified objects, I saw this explanation for the knife, “At the fairs they sell this, saying that it is a samurai knife. In fact, this is a marketing ploy to have buyers for the product.”

3. #3 BREAKER

   24. März 2021

   That is one half of a Klingon blade….it has two sides and one can be seen broken off…..the language is more than likely in the standard Klingon text format….

   https://omniglot.com/conscripts/klingon.htm

4. #4 Thomas

   24. März 2021

   Die Postkarte war schon einmal hier: https://scienceblogs.de/klausis-krypto-kolumne/2019/07/24/unsolved-an-encrypted-postcard-from-switzerland/

5. #5 Bill Briere

   Wyoming, USA

   24. März 2021

   If the author of the Dorabella paper is taking a poll of readers’ opinions about whether his tentative, proposed solution is correct or even on the right track, I’ll chime in with a “No.”

   Of course, this feedback is predicated on the questionable assumption that the Dorabella cipher is a valid ciphertext.

   With my “no” vote, it might be constructive to explain my answer, but I think he does it best where he writes: “If unusual spellings exist, they need to be coherent and cleanly fit within the context of the message. If process or results get too complicated, or the leaps are too many or great, the effort is likely off-track.”

6. #6 Klaus Schmeh

   24. März 2021

   @Thomas: Danke für den Hinweis. Wieder etwas übersehen.

7. #7 ShadowWolf

   Dorabella

   24. März 2021

   Zachery Belanger got a few letters correct. His “solution” has identified some of the vowels, but not correctly. The Sukhotin method finds 4 of the 5. Unfortunately U often pretends to be a consonant and Y rarely shows up as a vowel in the vowel tests on such short texts.

   The character ‘æ’ is not a letter and neither is ‘é’. which technically means he is using 3 different symbols for E. This is similar to some of the problems with the Tim Roberts solution. It breaks the rule of only using a letter once in the key. It also brings up the questionable use of ‘æ’ as it was probably never or rarely used at all in English writing at the time and it still isn’t generally used in English though I seem to remember seeing it in Old English which would be well before 1897. As a letter, it is more of a modern computer character and it may have simply be written ‘ae’ in actual handwriting which would be normal if it was used at all. I can’t think of any uses for special characters except in dictionaries for pronunciation examples and foreign names or words.

   While you can see some words in the text, this is no better than many of the false positives from any number of hill climbers. The hill climbers never come close to this text except maybe in low scoring early parts of a given search. (2842 this solution vs 8482 for the actual solution using 4-grams) These scores are relatively equivalent to those generated in most cryptographic hill climbers except these are normalized to represent a somewhat similar score of about 10000 for 100 letters whether it is 2-grams or 5-grams. It is part of an experimental idea I’ve been looking at for scoring text. There are just a few false positives that score higher than the actual solution

   The last problem is the key. The correct key has a symmetric arrangement of symbols and key words are clearly visible. The resulting key from this is just random letters. This should fail the pattern tests from people trying to prove Dorabella is a hoax while the correct solution matches them.

   About all he has right is it is a substitution cipher and 3 of the letters.

   If I get a chance I may look at the new stuff. That other postcard I’ve been looking at is very frustrating.

   The “tool” is likely to be not so much a cipher as simply odd symbols or another language. Something like a prop from a movie or TV show perhaps? Something about them looks familiar, but I can’t remember why. Looking at the image full size shows that it is a die casting. You can see extra metal(?) from the mold seam in the teeth and many of the features are rounded. They probably made a lot of them.

8. #8 Peter Lichtenberger

   zwischen den Seiten 27 & 28

   25. März 2021

   Die Zeichen auf dem Werkzeug (könnte auch eine Art Bieröffner sein) erinnern mich an die Schrift in Tibet.

   Signs on the tool (maybe an opener of beer bottles) look similar to Tibetian language signs.

9. #9 Spaceturtle

   25. März 2021

   Hi,

   Bei dem „Werkzeug“ handelt es sich um eine Schaumstoffrequisite für Cosplay oder Fantasy-Liverollenspiele.
   Die Inschrift besteht aus ‚Elfen-Runen‘ oder auch ‚Eldar Symbolen‘, die aber nicht konsequent durchgeführt wurden.
   Das erste Symbol (auf dem Bild rechts, weil von oben nach unten geschrieben) beschreibt den Welten-Drachen in der Schreibweise, wie sie gern bei den Produkten von ‚Games Workshop‘ benutzt wird. Die anderen Symbole erkenne ich spontan nicht, aber das, das mit dem Dreieck beginnt, sieht dem Symbol des Avatars ähnlich.

   Also keine Botschaft, sondern Deko.

   Cheers

10. #10 Zackery Belanger

    Detroit

    25. März 2021

    Hi everyone. It could be helpful for me to offer some clarification.

    My proposed solution does not claim Elgar used the character æ, which as @ShadowWolf points out was not in common use at the time. I’m speculating that Elgar may have relegated a space on the key for the digraph ae, and another for é, in addition to the normal e. I simply used æ in the plaintext as a stand-in, in case anyone was counting and sequencing characters. If that makes this not a true substitution then that’s ok; the point is that I think Elgar could have done this as well as a couple other things to obscure his message intentionally.

    @Bill Briere I am still attempting to determine how much deviation from a normal is too much, so your opinion is noted and appreciated.

    Showing this in reverse also could help. The message I’m proposing is this:

    PS Dora Ho! Fae new leme eassel, hae it n you.
    He ha! I of code-ed at when eever you, with liff in you.
    Du ever you’d ly, étude ever with you, lost you a olio.

    All of which are English words, even if obscure, defined by OED (except the lone n which could be a contraction). By substituting u for you, w for with, ay for ever, and of course taking away punctuation, capitals, and word spacing – all of which I feel is reasonable – you get

    psdorahofænewlemeeasselhæitnu
    hehaiofcode-edatwheneayuwliffinu
    duayu’dlyétudeaywulostuaolio

    Which is exact. The last point to make is that the message, even if it proves not fully correct, involves something foreboding (leme eassel), life (liff), a musical piece (étude), and a collection of works (olio), which would fit well with Elgar’s composition the “Enigma Variations”, and the rose shapes key which may identify the hidden tune that everyone has been looking for for 122 years. This is why my blog post was very long 🙂

    I think there is more coherence here than previous solutions, and I thank everyone for their feedback